The Talk Nurses Don't Talk About Enough: Death and Dying

4 Min Read Published February 11, 2025
The Talk Nurses Don't Talk About Enough: Death and Dying

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Bridging the Gap in Nursing and Medical Education on End-of-Life Conversations

Discussing death and dying is an essential yet often neglected aspect of healthcare. In a recent episode of the Nurse Converse podcast, hosts Courtney Thibeault and Nurse Courtney highlight a significant gap in nursing and medical education: the lack of standardized training for having difficult conversations about end-of-life care. This omission leaves healthcare providers feeling unprepared, leading to discomfort and avoidance when these conversations are needed most.

The Lack of Formal Education in End-of-Life Conversations

Nursing and medical curricula extensively cover subjects such as pathophysiology, pharmacology, and anatomy, yet they often fail to provide structured training on effective communication regarding death and dying. In the podcast, the hosts recall their own educational experiences, noting that they were not equipped with the tools or frameworks necessary to engage in these sensitive discussions. One telling example from a medical course on difficult conversations revealed that when students were asked if they had received any training on the subject, not a single hand was raised. This lack of preparation can leave healthcare providers struggling to navigate these emotionally charged situations in clinical practice.

The Consequences of Avoidance

Without formal training, many healthcare professionals feel uncertain or even reluctant to initiate conversations about death and dying. As Nurse Courtney points out, some nurses and clinicians believe they need permission to discuss these topics, often deferring to physicians or specialists. This hesitation can lead to missed opportunities for meaningful discussions about a patient’s goals of care, treatment preferences, and end-of-life wishes. Since nurses often spend the most time with patients, they are uniquely positioned to facilitate these conversations. However, the absence of proper training can result in a lack of confidence, preventing them from fulfilling this vital role.

The Importance of Early and Repeated Conversations

The podcast stresses the need to initiate conversations about end-of-life care early in a patient’s disease trajectory. Patients and their families benefit from understanding the realities of chronic illnesses well in advance, allowing them time to process information and make informed decisions. The hosts note that patients often need to hear this information multiple times before it resonates, making it crucial for healthcare providers to engage in ongoing education and support. By normalizing these discussions, nurses and other clinicians can help patients prepare for what lies ahead with greater clarity and peace of mind.

Strategies for Effective End-of-Life Conversations

To address this gap in education, the hosts suggest several strategies for having compassionate and effective conversations about death and dying:

  • Ask for Permission: Before initiating these discussions, healthcare providers should ask patients if they are open to having a difficult conversation. This approach respects the patient’s autonomy and provides them with a sense of control over the discussion.
  • Create a Supportive Environment: Ensuring privacy, minimizing interruptions, and being fully present can foster a safe space for open dialogue.
  • Practice Active Listening: Patients may experience a range of emotions, including fear and grief. Healthcare providers should focus on listening rather than rushing to provide answers, allowing patients to express their concerns and feelings.
  • Educate and Inform: Providing clear, honest information about what to expect can help demystify the process of dying and alleviate fears. 

Understanding Palliative Care vs. Hospice Care

The episode also clarifies the distinction between palliative and hospice care, which is crucial for both healthcare professionals and patients.

  • Palliative Care focuses on comfort and symptom management for patients with chronic illnesses, regardless of their prognosis. It helps patients understand their disease trajectory and make informed decisions about their care.
  • Hospice Care, on the other hand, is designed for patients with a prognosis of six months or less. It prioritizes comfort and quality of life over curative treatments, ensuring that patients receive comprehensive support during their final months.

Understanding these distinctions allows nurses to better guide patients and families in making decisions about their care options.

The Need for Ongoing Education and Training

Integrating end-of-life communication training into nursing and medical education is a necessity. The hosts advocate for incorporating structured frameworks—similar to SBAR (Situation, Background, Assessment, Recommendation)—to provide healthcare professionals with clear guidance on navigating these discussions. Continuing education programs can also play a role in equipping nurses with the necessary skills to engage confidently in these critical conversations.

By fostering open conversations, educating patients and families, and providing compassionate support, nurses can play a pivotal role in ensuring that end-of-life care is handled with sensitivity and respect. Ultimately, empowering nurses to initiate these discussions not only improves patient care but also enhances professional fulfillment by allowing healthcare providers to guide patients through one of life’s most profound transitions with empathy and understanding.

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Courtney
DNP, APRN, AGNP-C
Courtney
Host, Nurse Converse Podcast

Courtney is a Doctor of Nursing Practice working at an integrative health clinic while also doing skilled rehabilitation visits. She is passionate about creating a positive space for new and experienced nurses, while also sharing the ups and downs of mental health and life in general. Her prior nursing experience includes oncology, ICU, and hospice, and she considers end-of-life care to be her absolute favorite. From the Midwest, she is currently working to build a new house and is married with one cat and one 100-lb pitbull who is a total sweetheart.

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